Stop bundling help and sandbox pages in XWiki

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@vmassol

A translation requires a lot of work as it means:

Sure, but I don’t really agree that the points you mentioned are real issues.

@vmassol

Ensuring that enough is translated and not just a subpart

Why would it be a problem that only a subpart is translated? It’s what we have in XS for some languages. IMO that’s not a problem if let’s say some pages only are in french: it’s already that doc that will be available in french.

@vmassol

Ensuring that there’s always enough translators available for a given language

I also don’t understand why it would be a strong need, for XS we surely don’t do that.

@vmassol

Ensuring that for any change to the EN language, the translated page are translated very soon thereafter, with a mechanism to signify to readers that the version they’re reading is not up to date in the meantime.

I agree with that one, and it would be interesting to see if the recent extension for translation support that.

@vmassol

Some way to validate the quality of the translations since it affects the quality of the XWiki software and thus affects its reputation.

That’s true for XS too and we mostly trust the translators.

@vmassol

It’s not too hard to translate the XWiki UI since there’s in practice very little to translate. However, translating full doc pages on xwiki.org is another challenge and another complexity level.

Remember that I started this whole topic because we currently have in XS full pages that we ask our translators to translate on l10n.xwiki.org and it’s a problem for us. The whole idea here is to move those to directly translate them in XWiki and more specifically in xwiki.org.

@vmassol

If we wanted to go in this direction, we’d need a plan and a LOT of tooling developed (automate creation of screenshots of XWiki in various languages for example to give just one example).

I don’t understand this part, or maybe there’s a misunderstanding somewhere: I never suggested to get rid of Weblate for translating XS. I’m only talking about translating the content of xwiki.org, so I don’t see why we’d need screenshots etc? It’s about translating wiki content.

@vmassol

So for me, I’d still prefer to continue our policy of not translating xwiki.org and to focus our energy on improving our doc there instead.

That’s another interesting argument, but for me that’s not the same people who will improve the doc and those who will translate it. So I don’t really think it’s a problem for that.
I agree it might be more a problem to actually properly maintain the platform, since as Michael exposed, we might find bugs etc related to multilingual. But as I answered above for me it can actually be interesting to improve the platform on that aspect.